Posted by: Jeff Lester on January 27, 2014
Tags: Agents of SHIELD, Avengers, Captain Victory, Chic Stone, Constantine, Dan Slott, Dean Haspiel, Deathlok, Dick Ayers, Don Heck, Geoff Darrow, Graeme, Jack Kirby, Jeff, Jeff Lemire, Joe Casey, John Byrne, Justice League Dark, Mark Waid, Mike Allred, Ray Fawkes, Shaolin Cowboy, Silver Surfer, Stan Lee, Star Trek photonovels, Steve Englehart, Strange New Worlds, suspect theories, The Fox, the worst person in the world, Wait What?, Wally Wood, Wate-On
Hey, so it’s another installment of Wait, What?, and I think maybe this fortnightly thing is going to work out? (Provided you don’t abandon us in droves or something…) Whereas our last installment was two hours and us whingeing on about the news, this one is two hours and is us whingeing about comics we’ve read. Brilliant!
After the jump, Jeff makes some brilliantly incorrect statements about Shaolin Cowboy in service of a perfectly good theory, Graeme fills us in on the most successfully monetized fanfic since 50 Shades of Grey, and we do that thing about the first twenty-five issues of Avengers that would finally allow an old man like me to type ‘smh’ except I have no idea how to pluralize that. (Plus, guest appearances by two of the more important writers in the science fiction and fantasy genres.) In short: show notes!
00:00-21:47: Greetings! As I mentioned, last time was news, this time it’s weather. No, wait, comics, I mean comics! Jesus, I am rusty. But this every other week thing has made us hungry to talk, let me tell you that. For example, Graeme knows I’ve got this theory about the most recent four issue run of Geoff Darrow’s Shaolin Cowboy, so I, uh, I really go right into it. Seriously, if you thought the biggest problem with the podcast was Jeff didn’t start throwing around crazy theories in under the first minute, this is the fast-moving podcast for you. It’s very much a full spoiler conversation, as it’s impossible for me to talk about it without talking about the very end. (Although looking at the first issue again, I see at least one helluva big hole in my theory….and after looking over the last three issues at once think my biggest argument for my theory is also, uh, not quite right. So…cave canem, y’all!)
21:47-28:11: The Fox #1 and #2, by Dean Haspiel and Mark Waid! Not nearly as extensive a theory on Jeff’s part (no theory at all, in fact, just his usual irresponsible opinions) but that means that Graeme gets more than a word in edgewise, thank goodness.
28:11-33:11: The comparisons between Dean Haspiel and Mike Allred lends itself well to Graeme weighing in on Don Slott and Mike Allred’s Silver Surfer. Also covered: we discuss Steve Englehart’s Silver Surfer… because it is Steve Englehart and because it is our heart.
33:11-53:59: Exactly five minutes later (exactly!) we end up discussing the Star Trek photonovel, Strange New Worlds, assembled by John Byrne. Somewhere in there, my voice picks up a faint echo, not unlike one of the quasi-omnipotent aliens from the first series? And then the dogs go cuh-razy? And we discuss how to best be a comic store clerk and not end up in hell? And Jeff does the best imitation he probably has ever done? And we talk about how John Byrne’s financial affairs, like that’s even a thing we might know anything about? So….a little bit of something for everyone? Or maybe a whole bunch of nothing for someone? You make the call!
53:59-57:11: Graeme asks Jeff what he thinks about the Joe Casey Captain Victory news. Jeff, as it turns out, knows nothing about it. We talk about it super-briefly (because what is there to say, apart from sweet mother of god, that art team!) and then…
57:11-1:01:47: Graeme talks about a bit about what he’s read recently, including the first Constantine trade by Ray Fawkes, Jeff Lemire and Renato Guedes, the second and third Justice League Dark trades by Jeff Lemire, Mikel Janin, and Graham Nolan.
1:01:47-1:22:41: Thanks to the holiday generosity of Whatnaut Matt Terl, Jeff got a free one month sub to Marvel Unlimited, the digital all-you-can eat service offered by Marvel. Our discussion of it is perhaps inextricably intertwined with our thoughts about stuff — to be more speciific, Peter Bagge’s brilliant The Death of the Age of Stuff — the digital economy, why audio never goes viral, and other things like Christploitation, The Power of Warlock, The Incredible Hulk, the last thing Jeff will think of before he dies (which hopefully is not the perfect seque into…)
1:22:41-1:27:48: The first twenty-five issues of Avengers! Graeme and Jeff are endeavoring to read the first 300 issues this year and talk about them: good luck on that one, since (a) our disagreements start from literally the first issue, and (b) if there are more stretches like that first twenty-five issues, then…whew. Anyway, in there Graeme starts cutting out a little bit so we have…
1:27:48-1:28:10: INTERMISSION ONE! Man, I kind of missed these. I really have to rope Graeme into doing more music for the show.
1:28:10-2:06:45: And we’re back! And Graeme’s not cutting out anymore! And Jeff no longer sounds like one of those omnipotent threats from the first series of Star Trek! Yay, technology!! Technology can’t help where the first twenty-five issues of Avengers are concerned, though: so we have to talk about their slapdash charms (or pseudo-charms, to be honest). Of particular interest: Stan Lee’s handling of Captain America, the difference between the original team and the new team, celebrity fan letters,
the origin of the mighty Marvel subplot, early continuity, and much, much more.
2:06:45-2:08:57: Penultimately, Graeme has some breaking news (at the time of recording) about Agents of SHIELD and Deathlok. You can actually hear Jeff’s ambivalence about this news manifest itself as a low sonic hum.
2:08:57-end: Closing comments! Remember to come back in two weeks!
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