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Wait, What?, Ep. 17.2: The Really Big Picture.

Jeff Lester

On the one hand?  Graeme and I talk about the recent news/controversy surrounding J. Michael Straczynski’s departure from the Superman and Wonder Woman titles in a way I don’t think anyone has yet.

On the other hand?


So…maybe it all evens out in the end.  It should be up on Itunes shortly and is available for you to listen to right here:

Wait, What? Ep. 17.2: The Really Big Picture

And our grand finale for Ep. 17–our discussion of Return of Bruce Wayne #6 should be up very soon….

11 Responses to “ Wait, What?, Ep. 17.2: The Really Big Picture. ”

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  2. Lord above, I’m a dink. Thanks for that, Brad. I’ve corrected the entry so it should have the proper working link as well.

  3. Have you gentlemen read Promethea? Moore shows he understands that Wonder Woman works best as a manifestation of mythology and metaphor shaping reality. Best Wonder Woman ever. And with that, yet another podcast is tied to Alan Moore.

  4. Oh, wait. I had forgotten about the previous Alan Moore misogyny podcast. Of course you’ve read Promethea.

  5. I got a lot of my comics as a kid in the mid/late-90s through subscriptions and I don’t remember getting any of them damaged in the mail and I think they also had a plastic bag around them but I can’t remember for sure.

    I did a quick look on Marvel’s website and the subscription link is that the bottom of their homepage.

  6. Dasbender: Good call on Promethea–although I think that book is a case where (unlike, say, Supreme) the execution so totally outgrows the analog-premise (there’s a Kirbyesque term for you; all I need to do is put quotes around it) that it becomes very much its own thing…

    But while Moore was there first, there’s a way in which Morrison’s approach to WW here seems different and exciting. We’ll see where it goes (or if it goes, really), but I think where, almost by necessity, Moore’s work ends up shooting for a kind of platonic realm, G-Mo’s thought-form punch-’em-ups happening directly in the DCU has a kind of immediacy and maybe even a weird necessity?

    Eric: Thanks for the subscription info. I think my info was based on early ’70s info and Graeme’s early ’80s so…maybe it’s time for me to try an experiment!

  7. I subscribed to a few comics — usually gotten for me as Christmas and birthday presents — and they usually came folded and a little damaged despite the plastic bag. I didn’t really care that much because comics are for reading. In one or two cases, the damage was so severe that I sent the books back to Marvel and they sent me a fresh issue in a cardboard-backed envelope that couldn’t be bent.

  8. Oh, and they DID come late. Usually a couple of weeks after they were out in the direct market. But, that doesn’t matter too much when they come on a regular basis and you’re not in that ‘must read right away with everyone else’ mindset that… well, let’s be honest, 12-year olds didn’t really have in 1995.

  9. Little known fact about the Detroit Era Justice League: Gerry Conway wasn’t the first choice as writer, Alan Moore was.

    I can’t recall where I read it now, but iirc Len Wein approached Moore with the offer of revitalising one of two floundering comics, and Moore picked Swamp Thing over the Justice League of America, so they went to Conway instead and came up with the Detoit ‘street feel’ idea.

  10. I’m surprised you went with DC’s press release, and not JMS’s, where he felt the need to try and frame his decision as the best possible choice for the industry.

    Both press releases though remind me of what you were saying in 16.2 – the complete lack of self-reflection from creators and companies.
    DC knows sales have been going down on JMS’s ongoing titles, and he himself knows he can’t handle two monthlies (three if The Brave And The Bold hasn’t actually been canceled), yet both try and claim different reasons for the shift.

    Also, as someone who read and really enjoyed Superman: Earth One, they really pissed me off with this revelation that they hadn’t already started on the sequel.
    I brought the first one believing it to be the first in a series of graphic novels continuing that story – that’s how DC marketed the book, and it even has a cliffhanger element to it.
    To find out they not only hadn’t started on the next book, but didn’t even have plans to get started on it until they saw sales figures, feels like a real betrayal.
    I don’t see how DC didn’t lie to us, at least a little, with that one.

    As for the sales, I’d say, based on anecdotal evidence, that there won’t be too many returns.
    My comic book shop sold out day one, and the big book store with comics has as well, I believe (and they had heaps).
    DC may be getting excited early, but I think this will sell for awhile – it’s the best jump on point for a non-comic reader since Birthright came out.
    Say what you will about these two versus Man Of Steel or Secret Origins,Earth One And Birthright are stand alone stories, with everything you need to know contained in them, and both read like stand alone stories, not a collection of stories trying to explain or set up future stories, with both MoS and SO did.
    (It sound like neither Jeff or McMillions read it though – say it ain’t so fellas!)

  11. I had a subscription to Amazing Spider-man when I was kid, this would have been around 95 or 96. I paid for the subscription with my allowance and I could only afford one book, which ensured that I never read a complete Spider-man story until I was 25.

    They did always come with a (cheap) bag and board though. rarely were they in bad condition. So I’ve got a mint 3 year run of utterly worthless Spider-man comics. Nice Bagely art, I guess.

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