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Wait, What? Ep. 23.1: Keep It Like A Secret

Jeff Lester


Apart from being a super-smart writer, Adam Knave also has a way with the promo material. Thanks, Adam!

As for us,  I got a little behind so there may be one or more of these coming your way this week before we (hopefully) settle in with our new leaner, lighter on the ears (and time commitment) approach.

Until then, however, you have Graeme and I from the first week of this year, shooting the shiz in extravagant fashion, and discussing Steel, Final Crisis, Grant Morrison’s Invisibles, Garth Ennis’ The Boys, Jeff Parker and Gabriel Hardman’s Hulk, and, of course, Brad Meltzer’s Decoded.

You can find it on Itunes or, of course, you can listen to it right here, if that’s your fancy:

Wait, What? Ep. 23.1: Keep It Like A Secret

We hope you dig it, and thanks for listening!

12 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 23.1: Keep It Like A Secret ”

  1. I always dig it! And I”m loving the promo material! Very very cool!

  2. As always, another really good podcast.

    It’s interesting that you mention Final Crisis and the degradation of Wonder Woman and Mary Marvel within, as I recall in some of the promotional interviews in the run up to it that Morrison (to paraphrase) promised it would contain a fight between Mary Marvel and Supergirl for the future depiction of female characters in the DC universe.

    Of course, as with much of Final Crisis, Mary Marvel’s fate is a comment (and a hopeful resolution) to the Alan Moore age of comics, with her actions being a mirror of Kid Miracleman’s from Moore’s run on that title. But unlike that, this time the hero doesn’t need to snap the neck of the villain’s alter ego.

    I believe that Morrison is against the ‘threat of rape’ imagery that is so prevalent in comics and crops up far too often in Moore’s work The only time I can think of it appearing in any of Morrison’s work is from the first four (heavily Moore influenced) issue of Animal Man, where Buddy Baker’s wife and children are threatened while out on the woods by a hunter, only for the hunter to be stopped by his very own hunting friends, and the family become far more concerned about some motherless kittens. Nice commentary there, Grant.

    But I do think this conscious desire not to go down that avenue has meant that Morrison has written himself into a cul de sac when it comes to female characterisation, which you note very well in your podcast. It’ll be interesting to see whether his new found solution to writing Wonder Woman will point him to a way out.

    Very much agree with Graeme on Garth Ennis, but can’t do the same for his appreciation of Parker and Hardiman’s Hulk: while technically a good comic, I just can’t bring myself to care about the events within, something happening more and more with the ‘big two’s’ comics.

    Finally, are comics such as Chew and Morning Glories the natural successors to the Invisibles and Preacher? Or are comics simply eating themselves in the increasing way they are influenced only by other comics ? Discuss, gentlemen.

  3. Do Sensitive Criminals / American Death Camp & Rock of Ages really line up that well?

  4. Decoded is a hoot. Compared to the usual conspiracy/biblical prophecy/UFO malarkey on the History Channel, Decoded actually comes off as the voice of reason. Which probably says more about the rest of History’s programming than actual reality content in Decoded.

  5. AL: The 2012 episode of Decoded was probably the best yet:

    “Mr. Scientist, the Mayans say that we will be killed by a blue star. Can that happen?”
    “Well, there’s only one blue star, and it’s headed AWAY from Earth.”
    “Can we be killed by a star?”
    “Well, maybe? I guess?”

    I decided that I want a Decoded spin-off that’s a cooking show: “When someone gives me a pancake, I take one look and WANT TO KNOW WHAT’S INSIDE IT.”

  6. My favorite part was at the beginning:

    Brad: “The mule is a cross between a horse and a donkey. See what I did there? I DECODED THAT FOR YOU.”

    (Graeme and I aren’t exaggerating Meltzer’s delivery. HE ALL-CAPS HIS PUNCHLINES.)

    His categorization of Mr. T in Rocky 3 beating out Nostradamus as best prophet was a keeper, as well.

  7. I’m re-reading Morrison’s JLA run via the Deluxe Hardcover collections. I just got to Rock of Ages which is sort of like a beta test for Final Crisis. I thought it was interesting, after listening to this podcast, that in Rock of Ages, after Darkseid takes over the earth, Wonder Woman is one of the last heroes to fall and is an active part of the resistance. Contrast that with her role in Final Crisis, and it’s basically exact opposites.

  8. Anthony,

    I’ve gotta think Morrison’s stated intent to use corrupted Mary vs Good Supergirl “for the future of super-heroine depiction” required Wonder Woman to be shuffled off. Additionally, the creepy imagery of Wonder Woman throughout FC provided a real sense that things were going VERY badly.

    Using the corruption of the WW character as visual shorthand is a great “comics have a cool bag of tricks” display.

  9. Smitty – I agree with all of that. Thinking about Morrison’s gender politics as discussed in the podcast, I thought this perhaps demonstrated another side to Morrison’s handling of female characters. I haven’t finished that particular chapter off yet (the last time I read Rock of Ages was in single issue format when it came out), so it’s possible that Morrison continues to “mishandle” the character despite this difference. But maybe not, which would probably go to show that both her treatment and Mary Marvel’s treatment in FC were merely necessary story beats, not a continued show of Morrison’s mishandling of female characters.

  10. Dunno, if it’s of any importance, but I think Morrison has said somewhere before that in his JLA run he had to think of special things to do with J’onn because he’s just such a friggin’ unbeatable character when you look at just his powers and such.

    I think we got to see Morrison’s version of an unrestrained Martian Manhunter in Earth 2 where he beats Ultraman while saying something like “I can alter my molecular structure in response to any thought you form. This is not combat, you were already beaten the moment you chose to engage me.” And assorted awesome shit like “You dare threaten the people of this planet in my presence?!”

    Earth 2 WAS originally written at the same time as his JLA run and WAS going to be part of that series before some change-up, wasn’t it?

  11. Not sure about the timing of Earth 2. Published in 2000 would have been right at the tail end of his JLA run. However, surely the ideas were cooking at around that same time.

    When the guys mentioned J’onn as a signifier of victory I immediately flashed to JLA Classified 1-3. This was a super condensed arc that served as the start of the whole Seven Soldiers super story. In, I think book 3 the JLA show back up from the infant universe and start sorting out the mess left by Grodd and the Sheeda taking over the Ultramarine Corp. In the space of like three panels J’onn shows up and does his whole:

    “J’onn J’onzz on station.”

    And you’re like, “I’ve got twenty pages left…”

    Cue the guy knocking J’onn out of orbit and into an active volcano.

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