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Wait, What? Ep. 23.2: A Weird Prejudice Against Fantasy

Jeff Lester


Here is the grand conclusion to Episode 23–in which Graeme and I talk about the changes to Superman: Grounded, The Walking Dead (not as deliberate a comparison and contrast as putting those two side-by-side might seem), Fables, and Wolverine: The Best There Is.  Also, there’s a Kill Your Boyfriend reference in there, praise for Joe Kelly, an opportunity to make money by selling Grit, etc.

Itunes isn’t quite as speedy with updating our RSS feed as it used to be but it’s either there or it’s coming.  And, of course, you are cordially invited to listen to it here:

Wait, What? Ep. 23.2: A Weird Prejudice Against Fantasy

If all goes well, we will have two–maybe even three–episodes as I get caught up and then we should be prepped for our new schedule of an episode a week of approximately an hour or so.  That sounds good, right?

Anyhoo, we hope you enjoy, and thanks for listening!

5 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 23.2: A Weird Prejudice Against Fantasy ”

  1. Believe me dudes, to the folks who know, the Kelly/Mahnke JLA is given ALL the credit it deserves (It was the Obsidian Age, BTW and god, was it was awesome. The only slow bit was the “White Power” arc. The Fernus the Burning & Obsidian Age arcs were SO GOOD.)

    And the Batman/Plastic Man one shot that sets up Plastic Man’s son for later… SO GOOD. Kelly focused on telling high-concept stories grounded (mainly) in the psychologies of three incredibly under-used Justice League characters: Wonder Woman, Plastic Man & J’onn, and, for the most part, succeeded in that goal.

    Yeah, the Morrison->Waid->Kelly run is, hands-down, the best run of any Justice League comic ever.

  2. The trouble with Walking Dead that Graeme seems to be struggling to articulate is not “stuff just keeps happening” but rather “I don’t feel any big personal statements in this”.

    The wonderful thing about The Invisibles is how much of it seems like Morrison saying “This is how I fictionalize how I see things. Here is my take on myself and how I see the world and my personal journeys, fictionalized. And here’s me playing off and examining those things to change myself. All in public.” And he was able to tie that into contemporary culture and values and (pseudo) science and tell an engaging (if highly flawed) adventure story with HUGE stakes.

    There just isn’t anyone with the balls or skills or knowledge base around to do that these days. Really, there rarely is.

    You could make a case for stuff like Casanova or Daytripper, but the more closed nature of that stuff and the lack of… scale? (hubris?) hampers it from really feeling quite the same. Those books seem to be more about explaining individual lives, not takes on reality and the nature of the human experience.

    Though the more I think about it, it might be the market forcing a change in the way ongoing large-scale creator owned books can work. The closest thing we’ve got to that sort of thing now is Scalped, which, while wonderfully excellent, is genre comics through and through and again, is more about individual lives than an all-encompassing take on reality from a highly-eccentric and talented creator.

    I dunno… I just don’t think there’s anyone with the right combination of eccentricity, knowledge base, writing skill and just flat-out balls around to produce something like The Invisibles again. But hey, you never know, right?

  3. Screw comics, tonight’s Decoded was another winner, for Meltzer’s Big Revelation at the end of the show. Which I wanna spoil but won’t.

  4. You know, I’ve seen the show, and I’m not sure what the big revelation was…? The think tank thing?

  5. Graeme: yeah, the think tank, and the implication that it was some kind of aspect of a modern-day Culper Ring. I thought it was funny that he spent the whole episode saying how great the revolutionary-era ring was–look, citizen spies, how cool is that?–to conclude with “guess what, I’M A PART OF IT.” Good times.

    The gratuitous product placement of his new novel was a nice touch, too.

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