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Wait, What? Ep. 29.1: Requiem for a Heavyweight

Jeff Lester


Boy o boy, am I running behind.  Dramatically behind.  And the RSS feed is acting up for reasons I can’t explain, nor really be able to take the time to figure out what’s happening with it (today). So–thanks again for the terrific Adam Knave for his fan art!

But I did want you to be able to listen to Graeme and I talk about Dwayne McDuffie and get into the first of our three installments answering listeners’ questions as posed to us on Twitter.  (You are following us on Twitter, right?  @graemem and @lazybastid?)  We talk Bob Haney, Martian Manhunter and Justice League, the first comics we ever read, and the secret power of our own dumb-assedness.  It’s on iTunes, and you can also listen to it right here, oh yes:

Wait, What? Ep. 29.1: Requiem for a Heavyweight

We hope you enjoy!  As always my apologies for the various RSS shenanigans and hope to have them smoothed out (at least as much as they ever get) very soon!

11 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 29.1: Requiem for a Heavyweight ”

  1. Do you know House to Astonish? They have their own site.

  2. Dude! Not cool!

  3. I felt quite sad upon learning of Mcduffie’s death, despite not being a vocal fan.
    I only really got into his work since the World War Hulk Damage Control mini – which was a hoot – and have been getting the Milstone stuff as it comes back out.
    I felt more bad than usual when someone whose work I like passes, as a couple of months ago, I’d finished his JLA run, and had been meaning to send him an email to say that I’d quite enjoyed it, beyond all the BS that had gone on with it but I put it off, and put it off, and kept meaning to do it, and then…
    I’m sure one more fan letter wouldn’t have meant much to him, but I do wish, for me, I’d sent the email so I knew he knew I liked it (even if he didn’t think about it a second after he closed it).
    Anyway, this evening, I’m settling down with trades of his Beyond! mini and FF run for the first time, so I’m looking forward to some fun.

    (On a lark, I also picked up the first Walt Simonson trade of FF – so I’ve got a comic where the FF are trying to stop the superhuman registration act, and a comic where the FF are taking a break after supporting the superhuman registration act. The Richards aren’t tied down to a particular way of thinking, that’s for sure. Also, can anyone tell me why there’s a female Thing at in Simonson’s run?)

    “Dude! Not cool!”

    I dunno, someone constantly insulting people, and belittling something they clearly enjoy, in order to get them to write more, is oddly entertaining.

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  5. Your talk about the Haney / Aparo Brave and the Bold reminds me of Grant Morrison’s favorite Batman moment and how utterly fantastic it is.


    Which also makes me have to ask if you guys have been watching any of the Brave and the Bold cartoon? That show is such a great homage to those old comics while still somehow being true to all forms of the DCU that have existed and all forms of Batman that have existed.

    The latest episode contained Bat Boy and Rubin, BatMANGA!(complete with Speed Racer quality dubbing) and Batman & Mystery Inc complete with a PSA about SHARK SAFETY.

    The episode aired overseas and airs in the states on April the 1st the BatMANGA part is on youtube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM-GbM0b0V4 and is 6 minutes of PURE JOY.

  6. Lip,

    since I didn’t read the stuff preceding Simonson I did a little digging…

    “Byrne was followed by a quick succession of writers (Roger Stern, Tom DeFalco, Roy Thomas), but the next extended run was by Steve Englehart, who had Reed and Sue retire to try to give their son a normal childhood. The returned Thing’s new girlfriend, Sharon Ventura, and Johnny Storm’s former lover, Crystal, joined the team (though Crystal would leave within a year). Sharon was quickly turned into a female “Thing”, and the Thing himself further mutated, developing jagged spikes after being exposed to cosmic radiation during this roster’s first mission. When writer and artist Walt Simonson took over the series for the next year-and-a-half, Sue and Reed came out of retirement and the Thing temporarily lost his powers and reverted to his human form.”

    marvel wikia

    So coming out of a turbulent succession of creators it looks like Simonson was dealing with something of a shuffled deck. Watch out for the one where they fight Robot Stalin!

  7. Thank you for putting my disconnected feelings about McDuffie’s death into words. I was never a huge fan either, but I was aware of the impact he’s made on the industry, and was looking forward to him “catching a break” after being dicked over by both major companies as well. Argh.

    On a cheerier note, those Bob Haney BRAVE AND THE BOLDs are AMAZING. I haven’t read his TEEN TITANS, but I love his Batman stuff – it is INSANITY.

  8. “So coming out of a turbulent succession of creators it looks like Simonson was dealing with something of a shuffled deck.”

    Cheers for the info – always catches me off guard when I pick up a classic run, and it starts out quite odd due to continuity from the runs before.
    Guess I’ve gotten too used to creators instantly jettisoning anything they don’t like at the start of a run.

  9. Not quite sure I understand your position on McDuffie. There’s a lot to digest there.

    While the sorry health care situation a lot of comic book freelancers find themselves in is an issue, I’m not sure there’s any evidence it applies to McDuffie. He did have heart surgery a few years ago, and I don’t recall any Hero Initiative type fundraisers for him, and from the sounds of it he did have a non-emergency heart surgery that led to his death, which strongly suggests he had insurance (and as I’ve learned from family experience, heart surgeries often require follow-up surgeries, and even the most routine surgery carries at least a small risk).

    And while there were some ups and downs in his career, that’s true of just about everyone, and on balance I don’t think he did too bad. Lots of writers get storylines that are undermined by editorial, cut short for some reason or another.

    I do agree some of the comments on-line since his passing were a bit ridiculous, starting with that “Damage Control showed me more about super-heroes than Watchmen” thing, but I’ve learned to cut people some slack on things they say when they’re mourning, in the hopes they’ll do the same for me.

    I admit I did feel a pang of guilt that I hadn’t gotten around to buying the comics McDuffie wrote in the last few years (since I don’t buy much of anything in single issues that’s not fully creator owned, except as back-issues if a collection never comes out). He was one of those writers who I’d make a mental note of when they wrote something, with the intention of someday checking it out in some form. Felt the same way about Steve Gerber a few years back. I was just glad that I got a chance to praise three particular works of his (ICON #13 and #42 and the Static Shock episode “Static In Africa”) publicly and directly to McDuffie while he was alive.

  10. The Jagged Spike Thing did lead to one of my favorite issues of Hulk EVAH.

    Thing gets all hopped up and looks for a fight with Hulk to test out his new strength and is bummed to find a seriously under-powered Gray Hulk operating out of Vegas.

    Classic inversion story-telling courtesy of Peter David. DOOM shows up too.

  11. I don’t know what made me LOL more: The mention of The Atom jumping up and down in Batman’s brain to animate his body OR the bit about Ghost Rider’s motorcycle made out of flame suddenly stalling as it rounds a corner.

    Dwayne Mc Duffie deserves his props for what he tried to do with Milestone. To me, he’ll always be the Bryan Fuller (“Wonderfalls,” “Pushing Daisies”) of comics: a man ahead of the popular curve but screwed over by both a clueless public and the comics powers that be.

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