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Wait, What? Ep. 39.1: Where Jeff Yells at Graeme in Spanish

Jeff Lester


Hello, all!

I hate to again be god-damnably brief, but there are many, many things on the plate (including a wife who is waiting for me so we can watch the second ep. of Life on Mars (U.K. version, natch)) and I cannot tarry. But I do have a big heaping handful of Wait, What for you, in which MC Mc and myself talk Fear Itself #2 and expectations for crossover events, a few select movie trailers, the importance of capitalism and/or water, and more (a little bit more). Just a hair over an hour, with a second installment later this week.

Savvy listeners have probably already downloaded this installment via iTunes or the RSS feed, but you are certainly welcome to listen at your leisure here:

Wait, What?, Ep. 39.1: Where Jeff Yells at Graeme in Spanish

As the Asgardian-types say: enjoy!

7 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 39.1: Where Jeff Yells at Graeme in Spanish ”

  1. My favorite event by the standard of it standing on its own main book is World War Hulk.

    5 Issues
    Hulk Fights everyone
    Hulk literally fights until he can not any more
    Nice twist
    Good Ending

    Annihilation as well, however the future Cosmic crossovers rely to heavily on other books.

  2. Slurpee, breaker of thirst!

    So besides the fact that a second home wouldn’t help, uh…, dude in Fear Itself #1, I was bothered that dude was having financial difficulties at all. There was a city of the gods hovering over his home town, wouldn’t everyone want to go there? It seems like it would be good for just about any small town business. It’s even mentioned that the tourist trade is booming in the same issue. Maybe he ran an… atheist shop? I don’t know. WHAT WAS DUDE’S JOB!?! HOW ARE THINGS AT HIS RELATIVES PLACE!?!

  3. Rick,

    I actually thought Planet Hulk was really great and “home-grown.” WWH, for me – I stress, really screwed the pooch in how it dealt with Hulk and the mythos that had been built previously.

    The art was like a glorified sketchbook, the punching was fine but the inanity of the multiple tie-ins (Heroes for Hire and X-Men were the most appalling if I recall) and the fact that Hulk had spent the previous 15 issues of his own book getting smarter only to return to Earth and immediately set-up shop in Madison Square Garden…

    (brain hemorrhaging)

    In Planet Hulk he himself was made to fight in Gladiator style combat. He hated it and dethroned the evil king who made it so. What internal logic supports the Hulk becoming what he hated so clearly? Why not banish all of the Illuminati across the universe to teach them a lesson? Eye for an eye? (Save maybe Stark for the role he was playing in Marvel at the time)

    The idea of Hulk vs. the World was fine. The execution – imo – was ROUGH. Oh, look, it’s Rick Jones! Doing what he always does in a Hulk comic! Except that time(s) he died.

    Ahhhhh, like the Hulk – my rage is spent. I could go on and at length but….

    Anywho, totally agree on Annihilation. Great book.

  4. I don’t see where that can come from considering they were both written by the same guy and Hulk being blasted by group of guys to alien world carries with it the seeds of a Hulk coming back to Earth mad at them. He was mad because thinking someone blew up your entire world and wife and child would get anyone just a wee bit pissed.

    That is EXACTLY the reason you have him set up gladiatorial games in New York. It was to be big flashy and make an example both of how mad he is and at the end that he hasn’t completely lost it (yet). Also expecting a Hulk event and not expecting Rick Jones is kinda all kinds of silly.

    We are also going to have to disagree on the art WWH is my favorite JRJR work he draws exactly what I want to see in a Hulk comic people getting punched so hard SFX are being invented page by page.

  5. Rick, read and respect your POV but let me offer some good natured if strong rejoinders.

    I understand it was written by the same guy. The work was so good in Planet Hulk TPTB sounded the gong and said, “EVENT! THERE MUST BE AN EVENT! Either you write it and cash the check or we’ll get somebody else!”

    “Well, I always planned for him to come back and…”

    And off we go from organic to constructed. From logical to the Sentry and rainbow radiation satellites that somehow strip the Hulk of…himself?

    A reading of the Planet Hulk material makes it clear that Hulk / Banner KNEW the Illuminati did not intend to destroy him and his planet but rather that their continued meddling…their constant and unavoidable “we decide what’s best” attitude led them in their hubris to somehow give Hulk everything he ever wanted and then turn it to ash. How the smartest guys in the world couldn’t create an interstellar transport without a big “‘splody” thing powering it was what REALLY pissed him off.

    That’s what tipped the scales. Not that he wound up in gladiator fights (the return and staging thereof on Earth felt – to me – small-minded) but that feeling of, “Of course, you’re so stupid and predictable your best plans go catastrophically wrong not once but twice,” that made Planet Hulk feel new whereas WWH felt like a treadmill of punching dedicated to neutering this new evolution of Hulk in time to get Jeph Loeb his Red/Green “mystery.”

    And, you know, the whole “Well, it’s a Hulk book so where’s the Rick?” argument doesn’t really feel compelling to me. So what? They just did the BEST Hulk comic run in probably 15 years with no trace of Betty, T-Bolt, Rick, Samson or even barely a glimpse of Banner personal turmoil about “the monster within” and suddenly we’re all clamoring for the status quo?

    To me, this series put the lie to the “new” Marvel. We were ready made, loaded for bear, and editorial looked away and wanted the quick resolution Event to take advantage of the goodwill built by Pak and Pagulayan with their silly long form story-telling and their preposterous use of panel layouts as good narrative.

    When you think about it World War Hulk was JUST like the games. Bread and Circuses! Splash PAGES! PUNCHING! Anything to forget the paucity of solid storytelling convention!

    Oh, and let’s clear one last thing. While we’ve all enjoyed the Romita only one guy REALLY gets the free pass when it comes to sound effect generation.


    Seriously, I’m not normally this cantankerous.

  6. Apologies as I haven’t listened to the Podcast but if we’re doing My Favourite Events I think I have to chuck some love Judge Dredd’s way, not that Old Stoney Face cares about Love.

    These fine things appeared in 2000AD weekly and were about 20 to 25 episodes long each. And, Stomm, if they weren’t masterful examples of Events. I’m going to plump for the original ’70s double whammy of Pat Mills’The Cursed Earth which then slammed straight into Grant & Wagners’The Day The Law Died (or Judge Cal). That was about a years worth of weekly episodes that were chockful of invention, action, humour, satire, violence and pacing that never, ever let up. And the art? Bolland, McMahon, Gibbons and the ever under-rated Ron Smith. Those guys always give your eyes the good stuff. I’d read ’em as they came out and then when they had ended I’d break open the biscuits and read the whole things from beginning to end.Then and there that child was a happy child. And the man he mutated into still enjoys them. That’s the sign of good comics. Too good for you citizens, maybe they should be illegal!

    Also, The Judge Child Quest and Block Mania/Apocalypse War are magnificent beasts but aren’t as grottily pulptastic as that first magnificent double-barreled burst of Thrill Power.

    I liked ’em then and I like ’em now! That’s Zarjaz in any language.

  7. Seems to me for the past 25 years we’ve all bought into the hype of EVENT COMICS but year after ear, they’re anything but the hype – and we act surprised. With Blackest Night I looked at it not as an EVENT COMIC, but as an additional Green Lantern story. I didn’t care about status quos being irrevocably changed, characters dying, being born, forging new destinies, etc. I just looked at it as, “Is this a cool Green Lantern story?” and used no other critical barometer other than past GL stories. And it worked. Maybe Blackest Night was a bit better, creatively, than other EVENT COMICS, but I think a standard that didn’t treat the book as anything more than another GL story helped.

    I’m doing the same with Fear Itself. It’s another Thor story to me. I though issue #1 was solid but unspectacular, and #2 lacked any momentum – it was a stall. Unfortunately, stalling in the second part of a seven part story really kinda kills my interest in seeing how the story develops. Still, the art’s gorgeous, so I’m in for another issue or two.

    The only event comic that has, to me, felt like an EVENT would have to be Final Crisis. Things occurred in every issue and it really felt like the story was as unpredictable as possible when using characters who are worth more as underwear salesman than as literary characters.

    Lastly, I see Graeme’s point about the heavy-handed Yancy Street stuff in Fear Itself #2, but I took that as being included for all of those new, mythical “first-time readers”. Since Civil War, I feel like Marvel thinks every event comic they launch will draw in people who have never read a comic before and therefore tends to pad every book with exposition to make the book as approchable as possible for them. Of course, I think sales tend to indicate this reader isn’t really there for those events, but what do I know? I only ran comic shops for 10 years…

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