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Wait, What? Ep. 49: The Speedo Mistake


Hmm, that number is remarkably close to 50, isn’t it?  Although who can really say, considering the crazy numbering scheme we (by which I really mean I) have cooked up for us.  Seeing as it’s also our 93rd entry on iTunes, and all.

Anyway:  Comic Con! Captain Britain! Ed Brubaker! Peter David! Marvel: Season One! Exclamation Points!  All of these things and more get their devil’s due in this installment of Wait, What?, already loitering about on iTunes, or ready and eager to be listened to by your demanding ears, right here, right now:

Wait, What? Ep. 49: The Speedo Mistake

As ever, we hope your enjoy and thank you for your indulgence!  And now, if you excuse me, the cycle starts anew and I have like, ten minutes, before we start recording the episode that may or may not count as fifty.


19 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 49: The Speedo Mistake ”

  1. You should do a big #50, then renumber to #1 in September, then renumber to #100 a few weeks after that…

  2. that costume looks totally freaking ludicrous, even for superhero standards.

  3. @BobH: Oh, your prophetic soul…our riff right near the end matches up quite handily..

    @mckracken: I’m sure you’re right, but I’ve always loved it.

  4. Didn’t Wallace “Woody not Wally” Wood design Captain Britains’s original costume? I guess we’re just lucky there wasn’t a crotch window if that’s true. Just joking!I always liked Captain Britain’s original costume myself. I wouldn’t want to draw the dingdanged thing on a regular basis though.

    Still listening to the ‘cast but I have to say that Mr. Jeff Lester really brings Bendis’ dialogue alive. Considering how dead it is to start with I guess that makes him some kind of necromancer.

    And “Yay!” to Mr.Graeme McMillan for the shout out for Pasko & Burchett’s BLACKHAWK!

    Nice work as ever, so far!

  5. did kids ever try this ‘face-mask’ with a plastic bag and choked to death on it?

    you know like putting on a cape and hopping off the window sill…

    Hahhahah, JESUS CHRIST on a bicycle just looking at that thing again, i mean yeah, sometimes comics can send an embarassing message to the masses….

  6. There’s something self-assured about wearing your flag as wristbands and just the slightest touch on the forehead. So minimalist, not garish. Speaks volumes.

    Y’know and with the odd staff or mace to beat one about the head and neck. phuck.

    Goddamn if I don’t crave a “Lion’s brew” when I see that costume.

  7. I haven’t finished the podcast either (I think my iPod mini is finally dying on me), but I vote for the original costume too. I remember as a kid I had to pick the Marvel Team-Up issues with Captain Britain because I thought the costume was cool (and I was into Monty Python and Hammer horror and The Prisoner so I was somewhat the junior anglophile, so Captain Britain was right up my alley).

  8. I think I have lost interest in Spider-man because they story ends with “with great power comes great responsibility” and I sort of get it and don’t care anymore. I thought the Big Time stories were going to move past that but it doesn’t feel like they have.

    Spider-man is a great coming of age story but Marvel sort of ends it there. I think I am still enjoying other properties as I feel like they have deeper stories that transcend the coming of age story. Other properties also have succeeded in a range of intepretations (Batman comes to mind) which I do not think they can do with Spider-man unless they broaden what the character is about outside of angst, responsibility, guilt and teen romance which get very repetitive.

    Peter Parker’s destiny seems to be perennial teen angst.

  9. Since no one else has mentioned it, I’ll be that guy – “Bake, What?” needs to either be a running gag or a spinoff podcast. Seriously. :D

  10. Also – my favorite part of SCHISM was also the whole “Wolverine is exhausted” thing, mostly because I spent the rest of the issue thinking, “Wouldn’t it be awesome if the whole SCHISM event happened because Cyclops wouldn’t let Wolverine get his nap in?”

  11. Captain Britain’s costume is just fantastic. One of the first comics I bought was a Marvel Team Up where he and Spider-Man became room mates then fought Arcade in a giant pinball machine. I mean what more do you want?

    Very funny episode as always and my take on Spider-Man is since the reboot they’ve taken away hope from the character. He can’t ever really be happy again. When you’ve got a constantly depressed character and then you take the one small red headed carrot off the end of his stick, it just all becomes too much of a bummer. I don’t want to read the sad guy who doesn’t know he’s cheating on his wife even though Dan Slott is writing the best comic you could under the circumstances.
    There’s a turd in the pool and it doesn’t matter how nice the water is on the other end I don’t want to go swimming.

  12. Hmm, I seem to be in a minority in liking the Alan Davis redesign best. Can’t quite understand why the redesign hasn’t made a comeback seeing as the only reason it was phased out was that the old style colouring system couldn’t handle the intricacies– something that shouldn’t be a problem in this day of photoshop.

    I guess it’s down to my being British? The first costume looks an ungodly mess made up of a US view of what would work as a British costume? I wonder how the US would feel if a Brit came and redesigned Captain America to have a huge Eagle on his chest and an American flag across his face? The Davis redesign works for me because it feels less like a superhero costume and more like an actual uniform.

    How to relaunch the Creeper? Give any incoming author a copy of Norman Spinrad’s Bug Jack Barron and say “That’s the personality of Jack Ryder. If you need anything else, watch Network.” Far too much time is spent on the Creeper aspect of the character and not enough on Ryder, who is usually relegated to the Stan Lee “J Jonah Jameson” cliche of a journalist.

    The Stan Lee (and Ditko, Romita and Kane) Spider-man, as I’ve said before still stands up as a work of genius, and very much the Watchmen of its day. For all the fact that it’s dated, it tried it’s best to formulate the idea of the superhero in the real world, and set up an archetype that everyone has believed they’ve followed ever since while actually missing some of the point. As Jeff correctly says, there has to be a balance between Spiderman and Peter Parker: if one has success, then the other needs to have adversity. And more than once Lee has Parker question just why he needs to dress up as a Spider and right wrongs and, unlike the writers who follows, doesn’t do the great power spiel but admits that it’s an escape, or simply because he enjoys it.

    I really do think that, for all the quality of some of the runs that followed Lee, none have ever quite ‘got’ the character, and the best we can now hope for is that the ‘feel’ of those first hundred and twentysomething issues are captured by the contemporary creator. Something I feel the Brand New Day team did very well, and Slott does on occasion.

    And maybe this is the trouble Jeff has with reading new works now. And I wonder how much that idea, of people not quite getting said characters, is behind his growing disillusionment of many contemporary characters.Even before his tragic death, I found it impossible to read any Howard the Duck story not written by Steve Gerber, what with him being so indivisible from his creation; and maybe Lee put too much of himself into Spiderman back in the day as well. Can anyone think of any other characters so close to their creators, and increasingly difficult to read as they move further and further away from their initial, or defining, run?

  13. @Carey etc: I’ll have you know, sir, that I too am a Lion of Albion and I can find no fault in the original design of Captain Britain’s costume! It could very well be that the ever so Colonial bluntness of the costume’s aspect is that which most appeals to me.

    Having been exposed at a most impressionable age to the colourfully vulgar spectacle of American heroes it is, I admit, quite probable that my tastes had been so degraded that upon encountering this contentious costume I possessed little resistance to its squalid charms. In my meagre defence I also cannot help but note that the Alan Davis design is mostly white which is a most impractical colour to be sporting while one engages in pugilism with members of the lower orders.

    For a homegrown design of a local hero that appears to be most representative of this proud land I submit it to you, sir, that this chap would take some trouncing:


    Pip! Pip! England prevails!

    Also, I hope that they stop trying to re-invent THE CREEPER before someone notices he originally concocts his costume from a box of “adult novelties”.

  14. I always assumed that John Romita designed the original Captain Britain costume since he designed all the new characters in the 70s, probably collaborating with Claremont or whichever writer who created CB. I never heard that Wood was involved but it would be cool if he were.

  15. @A.L. Baroza: Aw Heck, I’m probably talking out of my hat. It’s just something I had stuck in my head. Being in error is particularly likely as I can find no evidence to support my claim. Think, John, think before typing! Marvel has lawyers! Ha!This is really embarassing! Sorry, everyone, I’m a berk!

  16. The Action Comics Weekly Secret Six revival was by Pasko & Spiegle — and then later, original Six artist Frank Springer took over the pencilling.

    Spiegle worked with Mark Evanier on the best-ever Blackhawk revival. Maybe if this new 52 Blackhawk revival takes off we’ll finally see a serious reprint project for the original Men in Black. Yeah, right … :(

    Anyhow, I hadn’t thought of Action Comics Weekly in a long while, but after your podcast I went back over them, thinking there -must- be some forgotten gem buried here.

    Some of the series tries you didn’t mention:

    Phantom Lady, Phantom Stranger — Len Strazewski and Chuck Austen on the Lady, and Paul Kupperberg wrote the Stranger. Can’t remember anything about these. Probably for the best.

    The Demon — Alan Grant picked up from Matt Wagner’s mini-series. Not really any consistent artists from what I can remember — nor can I remember any of the stories. It did lead to a new ongoing series for Etrigan which lasted quite a while.

    Wild Dog — had his fans, I guess, but he never really did much for me.

    Hero Hotline — Rozakis and DeStefano tried to bring back that ‘Mazing Man magic.

    Deadman — Mike Baron wrote a run that you either loved or hated. The storyline took it far afield from the angsty Adams’ run, but it was not well-served by the Dan Jurgens art — which looked like it hoped it was drawing a Bob Haney script. (Does that make sense?) Kelley Jones took over at some point, but as I recall it was hampered by inappropriate inking by others like Tony DeZuniga.

    Superman — Roger Stern and Curt Swan tried to make a regular Sunday page, that never really worked for me.

    There ought to be some way an American company can come up with a decent weekly comic, but Action Comics Weekly wasn’t it, was it?

  17. I think what you’re missing about the Spider-Man issue- which I liked for the most part- is that Peter didn’t blow off the date with Betty because he was ignorant or had to do Spider-Man stuff or was late. He missed it because he had work to do, and apologized for it (albeit in a snarky way), and let her know he wasn’t going. That’s NORMAL, that happens ALL THE TIME. Slott tried to turn it into this big THING, which felt unfair. Betty didn’t get attacked because Peter was being Spider-Man. She got attacked because she went to the movies by herself. Slott’s work has the weird effect of trying too hard and not trying hard enough.

    I do agree with Ian’s sentiment that Spider-Man can never win being a pretty hard thing to sludge through. It’s gotten better under Big Time, but Slott and Wacker have really contrived ways of kicking Spider-Man in the shins. ONe of the more distressing bits of the BND era was Mark Waid, who turns 50 next year, cackling over how awesome and fun and ESSENTIAL TO THE CHARACTER “Torturing” Peter Parker is, which makes what he’s doing in Daredevil all the more insane. The fact that it’s actually WORKING in Daredevil should tell Wacker something, but it probably won’t.

    The thing is, I think the mythical audience Wacker keeps insisting to the CBR crowd he really wants for Spider-Man isn’t interested in Spider-Man.

  18. Or rather, HIS take on Spider-Man, which seems to be the Charlie Brown of comics. Kinda. Sorta.

  19. I know it’s off topic, but i hope to hear on the podcast what your opinions were on Morrison’s comment that how Siegel and Shuster got screwed by DC is open to debate.
    “…maybe some of them were more keen to sell the rights than others” is a pretty shameful thing to say.
    Abhay pimp slapped him quite briskly on his Tumblr, but it seems like Lord Grant is getting a pass from most of the internet.

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