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Wait, What? Ep. 53.2: In The Case of Jibber v. Jabber

Jeff Lester


Yes, and but so here’s part 2 of Ep. 53, wherein Graeme and I talk at semi-absurd length about The Trial of The Flash (for which I wanted to gank a great picture off Google but couldn’t find anything that really grabbed me), Mark Millar’s run on Ultimate X-Men, Ultimate Fallout #6, Wonder Woman: Retroactive, a troubling trend with Diamond’s distribution, and a few other topics.

If it’s not on iTunes yet, it should be! But you can also listen to it here as the mood suits you:

Wait, What? Ep. 53.2: In The Case of Jibber v. Jabber

Also, as previously mentioned, we have an email address, waitwhatpodcast[AT]gmail.com, and we heartily invite you to send us news, gossip, or to tell us about that one time at an estate sale you found a pristine 7-11 Marvel Doc Savage slurpee cup from 1975 but realized the previous owner had used it to collect their yellowed toenail clippings and it just smelled off in a way you found alarming.

[Now I wished I’d used the picture of the Doc Savage cup as our post’s image, dammit.]

As always:  thanks for listening and we hope you enjoy!

16 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 53.2: In The Case of Jibber v. Jabber ”

  1. @Graeme: I have many, many problems with Geoff Jones’ storytelling and it’s one of the reasons I will not pick up Justice League 1. Or Green Lantern 1. Or Aquaman 1. Or anything else which his style seems to influence. Why will you pick up JL 1 when you know his storytelling will not change?

    I am not a reboot hater and I plan to pick up plenty of stuff, just nothing he writes.

  2. Not to speak for Graeme but it’s kind of his gig to be conversant in the “now” of comics.

    As to my reasons I want to see how much they think they can get away with re-feeding of origins in the Hollywood mode.

    If it’s quite a lot I think that might signal an end to this regime. As I’ve said many times – Warner’s is smacking their foreheads over this tiny little publishing concern. They paid a ton for it and what they have to show at this point is a Ryan Reynolds flop, a Superman reboot, and 200K in pre-orders for Justice League.

    Dark Knight is sure to buoy spirits but the current team in charge of DC Comics better start lining up the hits or they might be taking a trip to the IP farm to “live with a nice family.”

  3. Johns says it all thru his version of Zoom. “Heroes have to be tested.” It’s just that his idea of being “tested” is through death of friends and family. Remember JSA and what happened to Atom-Smasher?

    He’s a writer I used to enjoy, quite a bit… but he can’t escape his own tropes, just like Bendis, or any number of others.

    I totally agree re: the silliness of all of the heroes only knowing each other and their spouses/significant others. It’s the vague transformation (ushered in by Loebs, maybe Brad Meltzer, Johns, etc.)of the lives of superheroes into a pastiche of bad cop dramas.

    There; enough old man snark for one day. :)

  4. I haven’t listened yet, I can’t keep up with the rate these things get posted! It’s my knees I think, I’m just not as young as I was, but I still appreciate them and all your efforts.

    These ‘casts are so awesome they give me thoughts before I even listen to them! My first and most important thought is that I *need* to see the Doc Savage cup. Is it a Ron Ely one? I don’t *need* to smell it, however, I’ll take your word on that.

    I also hope that that image is a splash page. Because what a splash page should be really used for is weepy Nick Fury spouting dialogue off a mid-week afternoon TV movie starring someone like Brain Dennehy, one that’s probably about suing someone and maybe cancer as well, even suing cancer perhaps and maybe has one of The Golden Girls in it. It’s quite a big tear isn’t it? Is it a tear or is it an eye infection? Use soap when you wash your hands, Ultimate Nick Fury. Especially after going toilets.

    Thanks in advance for warming my ears with your banter.

  5. I proudly own the full 1975 line of Marvel slurpee cups. Never had a a single cup as a kid, as my mom rightly concluded that no six year old needed weaponized frozen sugar mixed with Coke. But the sting of that denial left an imprimpt on young Corey(Ottawa)’s psyche that was totally enabled by the eBay.

    Can’t upload a picture, but here’s a shot of someone else’s:


    You’re on your own for googling picture of toe-nails.

  6. @Corey (Ottawa)Geeze, thanks! I am glad E-Bay helped you to find closure and enabled you to move on and through this. Parents, eh!

    I love the totally random character selection. Thundra! Night Rider! Crystal! I think, had he had access, the surly and brooding 5 year old me would have gone for the awesome Severin Kull cup.

    I hope you only break out your 1975 Marvel slurpee cups on momentous social occassions. Like when the vicar comes round or your boss to discuss that promotion. Cheers!

  7. @Graeme: Prepare your mind; it is about to blown!

    Throughout the podcast you and Mr. Jeff Lester keep referring to the Trial of the Flash as great 1970s story-telling insanity. It was the 1980s actually — the mid ’80s in fact — running from 1983 to 1985.

    That’s a point I raise not to be pendantic or a hater, but because that makes Cary Bates’ work all the more notable. And nuts! (said with love in my heart; I have sung Mr Bates praises on these digital pages before. 1975’s JLA #123 with Bates as an Earth Two supervillain BLEW MY MIND).

    But my point: the Trial of the Flash storyline concluded just as the “modern” age of comics was on the horizon: the MUTANT MASSACRE happened in mere months followed by the X-Tinction Agenda, ASM #300 with Venom was three years away; the Advantageous Spider Man was five years out, and IMAGE itself was just a bit over six years away. Why that’s less time than between issues 2 and 3 of Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk!

  8. Re: Infantino’s end-run on the Flash

    Yes, those layouts were quite amazing. An astute reader from St. Louis noticed a freshness about the work and asked about the reason in issue 327’s Flashgrams letter page. Editor Cary Bates kindly answered: “Carmine works from a plot which comes complete with page layouts designed by Cary. Messrs. Bates and Infantino have been working together for quite awhile to make THE FLASH more and more visually exciting. Judging from your letter, and others like it, we’d say the effort is worth it!”

    If editor Cary answering in that way sounds strange, I will admit it is also strange to admit that I was that reader in St. Louis.

    I am a very old person and now I think I’ll see if I can find out what happened to my nurse. My medication is late… after it takes hold I’ll be back to say something about Messner-Loebs recent Retroactive WW.

  9. Corey (Ottawa): You are my hero today, for many reasons (but not least of which is owning the full 1975 line of Marvel slurpee cups)!

    My apologies if both Graeme and I were being incredibly braindead on the timing of the Trial of the Flash storyline–since I (and I’m sure Graeme) knew it wrapped up not long before Crisis on Infinite Earths #1 in ’85. I’m willing to be the fault is mine, as I’m a brainfarty kind of guy, and also because I tend to think of Bates very much as a ’70s DC writer above all else…in no small part because my DC-fu from that era is majestically weak.

    Thanks for the correction! I suspect we’re going to do a more thorough ‘cast on the storyline now that I’ve finished the Showcase, and I’ll try to remember to address your point if/when we do.

  10. I’ll be curious as to Graeme’s opinion of DKSA – there’s been a major push to re-examine it recently, or at least among the critical paths I tread.

    Personally, it’s my least favourite comic ever.

  11. @Simmered: Good news! Our upcoming ‘cast has a huge chunk of time spent talking DKSA, and I think you’ll enjoy it.

    @Garrie Burr: If Corey (Ottawa) hadn’t already taken my coveted “Hero of the Beach” award for this post, it would be yours! Very cool you had the acumen and the moxie to notice and write in (and get published!) At that time, I don’t think I would’ve noticed or appreciated–I was far too fixated on the weird way Infantino drew boobs and cleavage. (Sadly, I wasn’t the only one, I recall someone (Byrne?) discussing it in a printed interview at the time…) Tell your nurse I give the okay for double meds! You deserve a party!

    Justin H: On the Internet, everyone’s a snarky old man. (I believe this is the converse of the Internet 14 Year Old Girl theory…)

  12. Corey (Ottawa): Not to mention that Frank Miller’s run on Daredevil as well as Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing were running concurrently to the Flash storyline–two titles that started the modern comics age, as far as I’m concerned.

  13. Oh! I almost peed my pants with excitement. “Trial of the Flash” and DKSA. I cannot wait!

    I’ll post something a bit more substantial later.



  14. @ A.L. Baroza:

    Oh I agree! There were air quotes around “modern” in my post. Two great, great runs those were. I don’t want to come across as a TotF zealot: I didn’t read most of it at the day. That said, looking back on the story in context makes it seem all the more remarkable, especially given the sharp right turn comics were just about to take. What I was trying to get at that Trial was just at the cusp of two trends that haunt comics to this day: the dawn of the Major Event Crossover and 2) the shift between graphical storytelling and narrative, chosing the former and tossing the latter to the curb. But your mileage may vary.

  15. Corey (Ottawa):

    Yeah, now I get where you’re going with the comparison, and I don’t disagree. I’ve never read the storyline but it wouldn’t be a stretch to think that maybe Bates saw what was happening in the industry and tried to experiment a little, and maybe unknowingly anticipated future trends. I was responding more to Jeff and Graeme’s comments about Bates using story tropes influenced by TV drama or otherwise beyond the comics formulas of the time, which may also be his response to the zeismic shifts that were occurring.

    If anything, the series is an interesting outlier in the comics history of the time, which makes me want to pick up the Showcase edition just to see how much of an odd duck it is.

  16. Thanks for the props, Jeff. I only now got to that point in 53.2 (and to think I almost just moved on to the just-downloaded 54!).

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