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Wait, What? Ep. 65.2: A Podcast–With A Gun!

Jeff Lester


Yup, we came out of nowhere and rang your doorbell. We are a podcast–with a gun!

Oh, and Mallomars. God yes, Mallomars.

In this 90+ minute finale to ep. 65, Graeme McMillan and I talk a teeny-tiny bit more about Gerber’s Defenders, then go on to more of our standard W,W? stuff: Matt Fraction on Word Balloon, getting stalked on Twitter, the pros and cons of interviewing pros (sadly, not at cons because that would make a terrific little phrase, being trolled on Twitter, the required-by-Internet-law discussion of Watchmen 2, the price of satisfaction, and, you know, lots more.

Statistically speaking, it is likely this fine installment is already available to you on iTunes. But, should you wish, it is also available for your chewing satisfaction on this very fine purveyor of Internet whimsy:

Wait, What? Ep. 65.2: A Podcast–With A Gun!

Thanks for listening, and–as always–we hope you enjoy!

17 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 65.2: A Podcast–With A Gun! ”

  1. Not that I want to add to Graeme’s growing paranoia in any way, but have you noticed the recurrence of the phrase “Wait, What?” in the first issue of Fraction’s Defenders?

    Or is he just toying with you?

    Other than that, a brilliant podcast as ever. As to Gerber’s relationship to Mary Skrenes I seem to recall Gerber, in a reply to a letter in Howard the Duck saying how she was the inspiration for Beverly Switzler. I can’t tell you how happy I was to see the relationship between Howard and Bev was still in existence when Gerber revisited the character in the pages of She Hulk in the late 80’s.

    More info on the Elf With A Gun: i seem to recall his cousin seeking revenge in a mid 90’s Spiderman Team Up with Howard authored by Gerber. The issue has become infamous because it was an unofficial crossover with the Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck comic you mentioned, where in the later, Howard and Bev are taken into witness protection and replaced by clones in the Marvel universe!

    I think you it the nail on the head with Gerber when you say that it’s his humanity that makes him such a brilliant writer. And I do wonder whether humanity is one of the things missing in comics nowadays. Going back to the first issue of Fractions Defenders, which is probably the best Fraction Marvel title since Iron Fist, for all that he tries to insert humanity into proceedings, he still can’t seem to help himself hide that with a veneer of irony. Gerebr was skilled at using irony, although not in a way to disguise himself, but in the situations he wrote to reveal more about his characters.

    Finally, while listening to part one of the podcast, I tried one of my usual tricks of directly comparing 70’s writers with new writers from today. Fraction, it seems to me, is an Englehart substitute: there’s a level of “Pop Art” to his writing, couple with the aforementioned irony. But who (if anyone) is the new Gerber? Jeff Lemiere (one of the few current writers who seem to try and install that layer of humanity so important to Gerber)? And does that make Scott Snyder the new Len Wein? Discuss.

  2. Dang, now I want a malomar.

  3. Also: interesting point on reading comics as a kid vs. as an adult.
    Whenever people get into the “x dollars for y minutes of entertainment” thing — or for that matter the “I don’t understand issue #5 because it’s been a while since I read issue #4” — I wonder if they’re just reading comics once and throwing them away, or what.

    I mean, I can only speak for myself, but when I was a kid I’d be lucky to get two comics in a week. And I’d read them over and over. You can argue that maybe today’s comics aren’t worth rereading (in which case, maybe they weren’t worth reading the first time either) but I think if people engaged them more like they did when they were kids, rather than buying ten or twenty comics a week and skimming them before throwing them in a box, they might get a bit more out of it.

    On Defenders #1 — it’s weird, I can see flaws all over, but I still came away from it thinking “That was fun. I want to read issue #2 now.” I’m still kind of baffled that a series made entirely of characters who can’t support their own books is at the $3.99 price point, though.

    (BTW, on your Fantastic Four/FF point — for what it’s worth, both books are listed as $2.99 as of the February solicits.)

  4. Let me give you a tip re: Wacker. Don’t make yourself responsible for other people’s feelings. It just plays into their game. I guarantee you it will make him behave worse and try to extract more discomfort and apologies from you.

  5. Jeff and Graeme, you gentlemen are insane. Keep up the good work.

  6. Graeme, don’t feel too bad. I’ve had some very strange interactions with creators. I posted something negative (not rude, necessarily but a scathing critique of some work I was very disappointed by) about one of the most powerful creators currently working today at the old Joe Q board many, many moons ago… he contacted me, tried to convince me that my criticism was wrong… and started sending me comics and scripts (! Three bundles over the course of a couple of months) to show how the work he was doing now had moved past my points of concern! Very odd.

    Later, a particularly prominent creator took mentioned his “return policy” (the fact that you could mail him back a book and he’d send you a refund) and that even tho’ he had the policy in effect for years, that no one had ever took him up on it. I had reached my saturation point with this creator, and knew someone who had previously taken him up on his offer… thereby making the creator at best forgetful, and at worst, a liar. This was sort of the last straw with me as far as this particular creator, so I promptly gathered up all of my comics by this creator, wrote a rather nasty letter stating my problems with his books, my problems with his public persona and my problems with his seeming arrogance and shipped it off… which led to an email asking for my phone number so he could convince me why I was wrong.

    Some creators can not take criticism. Some creators have no problem with criticism. I think you’re always fairly even-handed… don’t let Wacker (or anybody) bait you.

    Additionally? Mallomars.

  7. So Jeff, the question is, who wins: Waffles vs. Mallomars?

  8. No, the question is: how do we bake Mallomars into waffles?

  9. I noticed the “Wait, what?” in Defenders as well. The first time- ok- but again? Of course, it would be really interesting if Fraction is aware of the podcast but didn’t realize he’d scripted it into the book…

    And after listening to the podcast I also realized that several of the lines from the page gutters were from Strange’s vision in the Point One book. I suspect that was more planned, though.

    @kag- mallomar waffles? this could be something good

  10. An entire episode on this, please: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/facing-fear-fear-itself-aftermath-111208.html. Thanks in advance.

    It made me feel emotions.

  11. I feel that people have to value their entertainment on a higher level because there is continually more means of entertainment to consume. I skew younger than both of you but still when I was a kid it was only Super Nintendo’s and like 30 channels on TV, comics were still in Grocery Stores and much cheaper than other things of a similar vein.

    Nowadays there are too many places to put your money down that the goal is to always try and put it down on quality. Therefore what you put your money behind should be of highest quality.

  12. Having now read the Newsarama Fraction/Brevoort piece (Abhay links above), I would like to second it as a topic for podcast discussion.

    And I’d also like to nominate the JMS/Wacker flap from this weekend. (The thread is gone now, but Bleeding Cool covers the important parts, without all the “he rocks!”/”he sucks!” commentary.) It seems, with Graeme largely(?) gone from Twitter that Mr. Wacker had to find someone else to talk to.

  13. “Half an hour later, still fuming at JMS’s shitty passive-aggressiveness. I should probably go walk it off. Maybe with a long walk. A long, dull, pointless, boring walk. Across America. That I won’t finish.”

    Waid for the win!!!

  14. Yeah, that parting shot by Waid was such a perfect…it’s like the closest to a video game finishing move performed in real life that I’ve ever seen.

  15. Mark Waid is evil. But also, a fine man. :)

  16. We expect too much from our comics and creators unless they are pricing it at $3.99.


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