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Wait, What? Ep. 90: Back in the Game

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Ladies and Gentlemen: GRAEME MCMILLAN IS.

The nice thing about writing a post during which you lose your mind and decide the best thing to be done is to embed as many of the lyrics of an Elvis Costello song as you can is you realize: (a) it can’t be topped; and (b) maybe you’re allowed to go easy on yourself every now and again; and (c) your attempts to give the page a catchy image and a bit of punchy jibbety-jab really only go so far, as it’s the actual thing you are introducing that people are (or are not) here for.

(Also, you realize you are addicted to parentheticals and alphabetized lists, and have no idea exactly how you’re going to get those particular monkeys off your back. Is there a twelve step group underwritten by the Chicago Manual of Style?)

(Also, these muscle relaxants aren’t really capable of doing shit as far as making you feel mellow and floaty, but they’re kind of dynamite for making you feel like every word you’re typing is WRONG, in a near-sacrilegious way. I feel like Henry god-damned Miller writing this thing!)

Anyway, Wait, What? Episode 90 is here, lemme just shuffle off to Buffalo and bring it on: it’s two hours and twenty-one minutes, it’s Graeme and I answering the questions on Twitter we forgot about until Rick Vance (I…think?) reminded us, it has us talking Batman: Earth One by Johns & Frank; Skull The Slayer; Steve Englehart (lots and lots of Steve Englehart); Dracula World Order by the fabulous Ian Brill; Batman #10, Andy Warhol’s Robocop (not at any particular length, sorry); Spider-Men #1, and our old buddy “much, much more.”

Those what like iTunes will have have already dipped their toes into our radiant tide pool. The rest are invited to remove your shoes, roll up your pant legs, and wade in below:

Wait, What? Ep. 90: Back in the Game

As always, we hope you enjoy and thank you for listening!

34 Responses to “ Wait, What? Ep. 90: Back in the Game ”

  1. Hiya, thanks for releasing another show into the wild. You ask if we’d be interested in a premium version of Wait, What? I’d be OK for paying the odd fee if you need it – this is great entertainment – but I’m not panting for an ‘augmented reality’ version. The podcast is great as is, just two chaps waffling on entertainingly about comics – it’s pure, it’s perfect.

    Plus, I have a million other things I’ve got to read, watch, blog about, eat and so on – don’t add to my pile of stuff!

  2. Two weeks, two awesome podcasting photos. If you took similar photos, but in profile, and then put them on a T-shirt where you were facing each other, with a comic-lettery “Vs.” in-between, that is some Wait, What? merchandise I could get behind.
    I’ve read a good amount of Englehart, though regrettably none of his Cap run and very little of his original Avengers run (or West Coast), but your lists got me thinking about what my favorite Englehart runs were. And then you got into guilty pleasures, and I realized Coyote might make both lists. You guys need to check it out: it’s probably the most Englehart-y comic ever, and I mean that in a bad way. It wouldn’t be at the top of my guilty pleasure list; it’s certainly behind Warriors of Plasm and Shadowhawk, and nowhere near the bad-greatness of Atlas Comics’ Weird Suspense Starring the Tarantula by Michael Fleisher and Pat Boyette.
    Delving into the moral quandary that is Jeff’s boycott of Marvel, is the upcoming publication of Steve Gerber’s Man-Thing graphic novel with art by Kevin Nowlan a dealbreaker? It would be for me, I tell you what.
    And further delving into the digital moral quandary, if I find Amazon’s appalling treatment of their warehouse workers cause to boycott them, would buying a Kindle and downloading stuff from them digitally be as bad? It would bypass having items purchased being packed and shipped by their temp agency hired de facto slaves, but still put money in the coffers of the company that perpetuates such treatment. OK, I think I just answered that last one for myself by typing it out.
    Anyway, another enjoyable cast, although at this point any “Fractionizing” makes me glaze over. And good luck on the nomination!

  3. Any chance that, for that nominal fee, we could get genuine Waffle Window Waffles sent to us Whatnauts with your images burned into them? I’m pretty sure everyone would be onboard for that.

    chris

  4. Another great show. I agree with Martin about the premium content: I’d be willing to throw in a few bones now and again, but have no desire for augmented content. How much more augmented can life get than the two photos from the past week.

    I could listen to you guys talk about Engelhart every week. I’m not sure if this falls in the category of guilty pleasure or forgotten classic, but I have a soft spot for his run on Captaim Marvel (the post-Starlin stuff) with artist Al Milgrom. If I recall, it was a little less lofty than some of Englehart’s other cosmic stuff — Cosmic Lite, if you will — but amazingly fun. Also, whenever the conditions align for Jeff to end his boycott (or the unlikely event that he find this material in a second-hand store), he must read Englehart’s Dr. Strange run, especially the work with Brunner. It remains one of the highlights of the era, and certainly the best stories featuring the good doctor, matched only by (perhaps) the recent mini by Vaughn and Marcos.

    Incidentally, Jeff, if you’d like to read the HERALDS miniseries without breaking your boycott, send me an address where I can mail them. I have the floppies and can’t imagine wanting to re-read it anytime soon, nor think I can sell them on eBay.

    I thought you were being a tad nasty about Snyder’s run on Detective, or possibly just not remembering it as clearly as you think you did. Having just re-read it in collected form, I think Snyder was very clear on the fact that NO ONE (including his father) really believed that James, Jr. had reformed or recanted. James, Jr. said, “Yes, I’m a psychopath. Always was. But now I’m on meds and I’m better.” He denied doing specific things in the past, but never denied having evil thoughts. Everyone — including Dick Batman — was just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he did something wrong. The tension of the story came from not being sure whether he HAD done some terrible things in the past or would again in the future. Also, the fact that the James, Jr. was a “B” plot for a while allowed tension to build (another reason to mourn B and C plots).

    Last, I’m glad to hear Graeme is enjoying the post-finale DS9 books as I contributed several hundred thousand words to the story and some of my friends wrote even more. Someday, a Trek scholar should write a paper about what our editor(s) were attempting to do there. It was fun while it lasted.

    Cheers.

  5. I’d prob’ly pay for additional content, like, if you guys did a free podcast during the week, as normal, and then an additional, pay version during the week. Not thru itunes, tho’.

    You could have just the rambling nonsense and whatever on the free weekly version, as now, but perhaps develop some kind of feature that would always be on the pay version- guaranteed reviews or somesuch.

  6. Ah, alas, Matt Fraction. I had to brush a few tears during the last twenty minutes or so of the podcast….

  7. Love the podcast, but have no interest in paying for it on a regular basis. If you guys did some sort of pledge drive from time to time, I’d certainly pony up.

    Yours,
    JHHBjr

  8. All I can say about this episode is this:

    “We are going to explain the universe to you now…

    “You have arisen from the ocian of humanity and we embrace you! you are the chosen.”

    “Before the dawn, Nadia and i will demonstrate how logical the universe into which you have been born…into which you will be born anew.”

    “Apply this knowledge as you see fit, to your own conception of the natural and supernatural. We provide information, not a creed.”

    Examine it, test it…and decide for yourself what you think of it”

    “if you find it useful–it will take you far”

    “it will carry you into the infinite universe!”

    “Understand–this is but the first step to the future. as we progress you may well lose sight of yourself in the infinite for a time–”

    “–and then, there will be more!”
    ___________

    Now I want Steve Englehart writing a Celestine Prophecy-inspired version of Peter Canon-Thunderbolt.

  9. My fave Englehart runs:

    Green Lantern – Jeff nailed it, he made John and Kyle sing. And then he gave us the wonderful Earth-based corps (nevertheless, it’s not my fave GL run – that’s Marv Wolfman’s). Hal was interesting too. Which is nice.

    JLA – For the first time, a DC comic felt like a top-quality Marvel book. I loved the cosmic threats and soap operatics (poor Barry!).

    Avengers – This would be the top-quality Marvel book.

    Doctor Strange – Mind-blowing when I was 12, and there was something sooo sexy about the Stephen and Clea relationship.

    Detective Comics – The perfect Batman comic, focusing on a hero who was intense, yet sane. And again, the relationship at the centre of things worked; Bruce and Silver had a tremendous chemistry for 2D creations. And of course, the contribution of Marshall Rogers (inked by the super-slick, yet not soulless, Terry Austin) can’t be underestimated. The melding of Golden Age stylings with a Seventies sensibility made for magic.

  10. I’d also be okay with reasonably priced bonus content.

    I know you guys finished the Q&A but I’d be curious to hear your thoughts about the Sullivan’s Sluggers Kickstarter. Do you think means anything in particular that a Direct Market orientated title that failed in that market but found massive success elsewhere?

    Also, Tonci Zonjic did the art for Who Is Jake Ellis? which came out in trade a while back.

    Finally, I’ve been wondering why the podcast comes out on Tuesday and is there anyway it could possibly come out on Mondays instead?

  11. Re: not liking digital comics.
    Seems Im in a similar situation to Graeme, I have a bunch of single issues on comixology I havnt touched yet but I plow through my floppyies as soon as I get them. Being a screen just feels too much like work. Then again that could change if I got an iPad.

    Re: B-plots
    Saga seems to be doing them alright.

    Re: Gary Frank makes Batman look like a guy in a suit
    When you said that my mind immediately jumped to Frank Quietly. But then again hes one of my favourite artist so my mind usually jumps to him for everything.

    Re: bonus content
    Given how many questions you have come in regularly maybe you could have a regular question answering segment from donators/subscribers? Just an idea.

  12. Just so everyone is aware, the Man-Thing book was written 21 years ago and Nowlan just is getting around to finishing it now. Gerber was aware of Nowlan’s desire to complete it, and IIRC gave his approval before he died.

  13. I’d happily pay for an extra weekly show where Graeme and Jeff analyze the mental states of comic creators, as I do so enjoy the regular “The Trouble With Fraction…” segments.
    I liked issue 2 of Legends of the Dark Knight a lot more than Jeff it seems, Larsen’s art in particular made it a fun read- the great panel of Batman casually drinking from a “I <3 Gotham" mug made it worth the $0.99. Larsen too goes some way to make Batman look like "a guy in a suit", the way he draws Batman's gear in that panel certainly make it seem like an outfit, really like the way he drew the utility belt.

  14. I liked the conversation about how you both bought comics so you’d have something to talk about on the podcast. You’re both one gold pocketwatch away from the Gift of the Magi.

  15. I wouldn’t pay for bonus content, but if it doesn’t affect this podcast, go for it.

    Related to Abhay’s comment, did you guys ever even end up talking about those comics beyond Batman Earth One (you’ve gotten me more pumped up for Johns than I’ve been since I read GL Rebirth). I don’t think you did, but it’s a long podcast.

    And holy shit all those Marvel shuffles. I should keep up with Bleeding Cool. Johnston is the only actual journalist in a field of critics (not that I dislike critics).

    Ugh, I haven’t read any Englehart and you guys make me want to read so much of it. I don’t really have a problem pirating if its not in a store or digital, so I can read all that stuff, but its just so much…

  16. Addendum:
    Wait there was Batman 10 and Batman and Robin 10.
    That Johnston comment might have been more insulting and broad than I intended.

  17. We just had a Career Apocalypse Schadenfreude Party for Brian “Call Me Michael” Bendis like two weeks ago, and now we get another one for Matt Fraction!

    As a certain Ray said, WHO’LL BE THE NEXT IN LINE?

    Anyway, I’d be curious to know where Mr. Fraction mentioned his unhappiness with Mr. Larocca. Not because I like bitchy gossip, but because you don’t often get that sort of candor from game guys like him.

    And as it happens I was JUST going through all the MF/SL Invincible Iron Man comics over the past few days (#CONCORDANCE). At the time they were coming out, I myself felt the drop in momentum around the point where Tony loses his brain and starts wanting to make cars, but it’s far less precipitous when you (re-)read it all at once.

    As for Mr. Larocca’s art, I think he’s pretty perfect for drawing Iron Man comic books — particularly all the tech/giant robots/inside-of-a-helmet stuff. My only kvetch is not at all original (so much so that I’m embarrassed to type it): TONY LOOKS LIKE THE GUY FROM TV.

    Finally, I still love the heckfire out of DEFENDERS, as I’ve said numerous times in this very space. I have a serious feeling that it would be THE cool Marvel book to dig these days had Mr. Fraction not made everybody mad at him with the FEAR ITSELF deal. On that point, I think our podcast hosts are dead on the money: he shed many of his weirdo fans and failed to gain sufficient new ones with that fairly silly story. So a wild & funky book like Defenders just can’t gain any steam. Which is too bad.

    Because it’s really cool for real, you guys. The Dr. Strange issue should be adapted as an episode of GIRLS.

  18. Thanks for another great episode!

    Caption for Graeme’s photo: “Oceanic 873, you’ve got plenty of runway. It’s THIS WIDE!”

    As for premium content, I suppose you could think of possibilities in a few ways:

    1. One-time/annual “thank you” merch. This is the NPR/PBS model, of course. You guys do tote bags? Or perhaps you could leverage some contacts and good will so that subscribers would get something like a limited-run, signed print of an artists sketch, or a custom Nate CosBOOM tweet.

    2. Access to regular, special content. Outtakes? Nah, it seems you keep those all in, anyway. One team takedown/walkthrough of a new comic release per week?

    3. Enter to win. One lucky subscriber gets a lunch with both of you at the Waffle Window or something like that? Or a guest host spot? Though I think there are lottery-type laws that require No Purchase Necessary to Enter. On the third hand, the prospect of community shaming (due to the public nature of the reward) might keep people honest.

    4. Help Jeff Reclaim Shelves. Subscribe and get access to a secret bid/giveaway site populated by books Jeff can bear to part with.

    5. Honorary Portland Library Card. Kind of the same as #4, but with Graeme’s Magic Library System.

    dan

  19. re: premium content – I like the idea of a regular Q&A segment, two or three questions taken from listeners a week and put into a separate podcast for subscribers. I ‘d pay for that.

    I also wouldn’t mind a semi-regular in-depth artist/creator dissection like you did with Steve Gerber awhile back. Pick an creator – Kirby, Englehart, etc. and do 90 minute critique/review of their career and put it up quarterly as subscriber bait.

  20. Interesting take on Miles Morales there. I don’t think its ever occurred to me that he could have ever been anything other than the extra Spider-Man.

    I simply assumed Spidey was simply too big of a pop culture icon for anyone using his name and wearing his clothes to carve out their own identity from under his shadow. I don’t think even the most careful handling in the world could have overcome that.

    The way to have Miles stand on his own as a character would have been to give him his own identity and realign the ultimate universe around that after the death of the original knock off. Stick the full weight of Marvels marketing behind him along with the relaunch of the Ult U and you have a genuine chance of launching a successful new character. Unwilling to risk that though they went for the easy way of making him some kind of half arsed legacy hero that could feed off the success of the original property. The second that choice was made Morales was condemned to the life of a pilot fish for the rest of his career.

  21. I’d pay you to read my imagined dialogs between Alan Moore and Wolverine.

    Yeah, I don’t know. You’re asking me what I would pay you for?

    (… T-Shirts?)

  22. Just finished listening to the podcast and in regards to the Matt Fraction stuff at the end, I kind of feel that it’s not just Fraction, that Marvel built up that whole “architects” thing and are not getting what expected, but are stuck at this point. Marvel have no choice but to go with this stable of creators until they completely collapse or leave of their own will because the current industry groundswell is moving away from them. Working for Marvel is not the brass ring in comics anymore, being Robert Kirkman is. I don’t think any creator with any heat still dreams of working for Marvel, especially current Marvel. If Marvel were to ditch the architects, who would be available or willing to step up that has any cache?

    I think Hickman and Brubaker have been savvily prescient in having set up escape hatches for themselves but, if I can throw my bit of armchair psychology out there, I think Fraction has followed the Bendis career template a little too closely. He’s put all his eggs in the Marvel basket, is kind of stuck now, and I don’t think he’s really happy, consciously or subconsciously, about it. He doesn’t seem like the type of person who can muster much passion for doing corporate trademark maintenance and event storylines and that seems to be showing in the work, especially now that Marvel is becoming more and more editorially restrictive.

    I do think Fraction can put together a Tarantino-like second act as you described, he has the talent, but he needs to break away from Marvel and re-energize and refocus. He’s burning himself out there.

  23. Re: Fraction. Every time I hear Jeff and Graeme talk about Matt Fraction, it sounds like they’re talking about something entirely other than writing for modern mainstream big-two corporate superhero books – like, you guys keep talking as though there were all these imaginary hopes and dreams and expectations on him, like by writing Iron Man and Fear Itself he was carrying all the wishes of some imaginary Indie Community on his tiny and fragile shoulders, and then sold ‘em out, first by writing Bendis/Millar-esque material, and then doing so to diminishing commercial returns.

    Which strikes me as strange, for a couple of reasons, because, first of all, the Matt Fraction that writes Casanova – or even, for that matter, the Matt Fraction that wrote Iron Fist – could never be the same Matt Fraction that writes a monster crossover like Fear Itself. What’s required of each of those projects is something entirely different; I’d argue that the ideal writer for something like Fear Itself (or Thor or Avengers or AvX or any other hot, big-name “property” at Marvel) is not a writer at all, but some kind of computer algorithm that churns out dialogue in response to a set of editorial inputs (Let A = supporting characters killed at the end of act one; let B = the number of tie-in issues; let C = the length of the core series; etc.). That Fraction turns out to be stunningly inept at producing work of this type speaks well of him, as an artist and as a human being; there are only so many people who can generate this kind of calculated soullessness on demand who don’t already work in film or television.

    That Fraction’s big-spotlight corporate work has met diminishing commercial returns shouldn’t be that surprising, either – look at the point when he took over Iron Man, and then Thor; the market was already in a downward spiral, and even Marvel’s golden boy, Brian Bendis, was seeing steady declines on the Avengers books. Which is to say, Fraction’s lack of success in big-two superhero comics has less to do with Fraction specifically than it does with the fact that no one is really “succeeding” in big-two superhero comics these days.

    I don’t say this to act as an apologist for Matt Fraction’s corporate work (although I do like his run on Iron Fist) but to point out that to shake our heads mournfully at him like Nick Carraway at Gatsby’s grave is a bit out of place. There’s a tragedy here, but it’s one that goes far beyond Matt Fraction: the time when artists could produce decent if often compromised works of art within the environment of corporate superhero comics is long behind us. The ideal product in the current era is not (if it ever was) the wonderful, the unique, or the idiosyncratic – it’s the blandly uniform and predictable, typified by Marvel’s “everyone is replaceable” attitude toward its artists, or The New 52’s similar approach to entire creative teams, or AvX’s stew of writers – so many different voices tossed together onto the same book that in the end you hear none of them. How much can you expect of companies that have pegged all their hopes to Avengers Versus X-Men: Versus and Watchmen 2: Electric Boogaloo?

    (The “lukewarm” quote is from the Apocalypse of John, by the way.)

  24. You were actually quoting Jesus in his letters to the seven churches from the Book of Revelation.

    “I know your deeds, that they are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm – neither hot nor cold – I am about to spit you out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:15-16

  25. My apologies for being Jack-in-the-thread, popping up continually … I’ve been listening in lumps. All done now.

    Jeff, I’m intrigued by your pronunciation of (Doug) Moench – I’m sure DC and Marvel lettercol editors used to answer reader queries as to its pronunciation by saying that it ‘rhymes with bench’. Are you perhaps getting the surname mixed a little with Doug Mahnke’s?

    I really do recommend reading the whole Eighties Batman/Detective run by Moench/Conway/Colan/Newton/Janson and co. It’s stylish, solid superheroics and features both Nocturna and the daughter of Mlle Marie – what more could you want? It demonstrates that Batman doesn’t have to be a sandwich short of a picnic to be interesting.

    Regarding Gerry Conway, did you chaps catch his excellent Last Days of Animal Man series a year or two back? If I may be a link whore (and please, tell me off if this is bad form), I reviewed the odd issue – see if it sounds like your cup of tea: http://dangermart.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/last-days-of-animal-man-2-review.html

  26. I don’t quite agree with what you said there, Moose and Squirrel, but that was a fine post.

  27. After finishing this week’s podcast, I found myself out of podcasts to listen to on my daily run, so I went and downloaded episode 1.1, which I had never listened to before. I was surprised to hear Jeff talking about Skull the Slayer and Steve Englehart, just as in episode 90.

  28. Whatever you do, DON’T change the content, or format of the podcast. I know that a few episodes back you guys waxed poetic about having a more structured podcast. It is the lack of structure, and the organic nature of the conversation that is the true, pure element that draws me back every week. Be yourselves. Just my two cents.

    As for “premium content”, how about shout-outs from Jeff Lester, GoGo Dancer DJ? Perhaps dramatic readings by Graeme as Jim Gordon, Consulting Skeptic? No? It was worth a shot. In all seriousness, if you guys fall in love with an idea that makes financial sense for ya, have at it. You can count on my scheckles. On a related note, do donations to the Savage Critic PayPal go towards the podcast as well, or just running the site proper? I plan on throwing some cash Mr. Hibbs way regardless, but I’d like to show direct support for the podcast as well.

  29. Thank you for the kind words on DWO Jeff! Those pages from Tonci made me feel so lucky and humbled, as did everyone’s contributions.

  30. kicking it sdrawkcab, annataZ-style!

    @Ian: You’r welcome, Ian. You assembled a fantastic batch of collaborators…looking forward to seeing more!

    @RJ: Donations to the SavCrit Paypal do indeed go toward the podcast as well as the site generally–moolah gets divvied up evenly among those who contribute. So I definitely invite you to share the love.

    And despite our eternal hand-wringing, I think our format is probably here to stay (unless it really drives Graeme insane). I think we appreciate the organic nature of things as much as you do–we just worry about shortchanging the listeners, anyway.

    @Basic A: I am overwhelmed by how sad and hilarious I find this and doubt it not one whit. I cue up the chorus to Once in a Lifetime in your honor.

    @Dan Coyle: I agree with you–that is a keen post on Moose & Squirrel’s part.

    @Martin: Just as you should always bet on black when Mr. Snipes is involved, you should never bet on Jeff when pronunciation is involved. I have no doubt I’m pronouncing the esteemed Mr. Moench’s name entirely wrong.

    And you’re right, Conway’s Last Days of Animal Man sounds like a pip! And your website looks quite keen. Thanks for the link (as well as your kind and informative words up at reply #1)!

    @Shannon S: Thank you for hooking me up with the source of that quote. Maybe I’ll risk the inevitable flopsweatish nightmares when reading the Bible and give that a read-through!

    @m&s: I think Graeme would be very vociferous in his insistence that he doesn’t think MF sold out. My understanding is that when you do something for the money to the detriment of your creative powers, then it is a proper term to use. I am willing to ‘fess up to thinking Fraction capable of being able to pull off superhero books better than he does…and I should also ‘fess up to reacting poorly –to the point, probably of overreacting–to the apparently necessary part of a comics writer’s job that they hype everything to the heavens. And I think your points are very well-made, indeed. I’ll have to give them more thought. All that said, my current thinking is still more in line with Brock Landers’ above than what you talk about here.

    @Brock: “Working for Marvel is not the brass ring in comics anymore, being Robert Kirkman is.” Man, I hope I remember to mention that on the next podcast, because that comment really nails it for me. Ditto the sense that Marvel might be stuck with the architects sales angle–though in the past, the company hasn’t hesitated in creating a new banner for their creative talent (remember “Young Guns”?).

    There is a case to be made that Marvel believes people just abandoned the market, rather than abandoning, say, Bendis, and aren’t punishing the guy just because it happened on his watch. I believe part of the problem was that more people were like me, who gradually lost faith in Bendis and Marvel’s editorial and departed due to that, not irrespective of it.

    [More to follow, I hope.]

  31. (Oh, and @Brock: That’s actually a pretty keen way of approaching bonus content, I think that’s really something to consider!)

    @Mike Walker: Yeah, I think we’re trying to figure out some way…to monetize it? In a way that doesn’t feel like we’re…monetizing it? Which is probably the wrong way to go about it….

    @Siythe: As I would say: Interesting, interesting. Whether or not I agree, your description sadly doesn’t sound like the way Marvel approaches things these days, does it?

    @ddt: Excellent captioning powers and I totally admit it–I’ve considered option 4, but been a bit hand-wringy about the idea of it, mainly because I think I’d probably try to throw in a note or essay or something that would suck up even more time. Also, option 5 is fantastic, but I’m convinced Graeme’s Magic Library System only works for Graeme… (razza-frazza…)

    RF: Despite not having seen an ep. of GIRLS, your comment totally elicited an out-loud snicker from me. Also, now that I think about it, I believe you’re totally right about Mr. Larocca and his ability with the tech!

    Finally, as for MF, I seem to recall it was a statement made at a convention evincing a guardedly candid lack of appreciation for Larocca’s use of famous people for photo-referencing…although it’d both be kind of amusing and sad if I have it wrong and the guardedly candid lack of appreciation for Mr. Land on Uncanny X-Men. What a tit I am!

    [Aaaand...perhaps still more later!]

  32. [whoops, no, sorry--Portland vacation is in full effect: my sincerest apologies to those whose comments I didn't get to!]

  33. So, my late additions to the BEST OF STEVE ENGLEHART:

    #5) Super-Villain Team Up #5-8 ! Issue 5 remains a personal spinner rack favorite.

    #4) Justice League of America #139-150, with a special citation for #144 and the inter-weaving of the Quality and lesser Fawcett characters in the annual JLA/JSA Team up. Bulletman and Spy Smasher!

    #3) Incredible Hulk #159-172. And nobody has mentioned these! But when one thinks of the Herb Trimpe classic Hulk, and the Wndigo, the Bi-Beast, the Harpy and the great fights againts MODOK, the Rhino or Abomination…. those were Englehart. Excelsior!

    #2) Captain America 169-176: The Secret Empire storyline.

    and #1) Avengers 105 – 152. Classic reframing of the team.

  34. @Corey (Ottawa): some very nice picks there! I’d forgotten how much I loved that SVTU book until you mentioned it (even though I’m not sure I really dig molesty Dr. Doom, I loved the Shroud).

    I’m thinking I’m going to my Hulk DVD to go dig up those issues of the Hulk–had been so focused on the Trimpe, I hadn’t realized they were Englehart!

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