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Wait, Whoops? Episode 9 Podcast is Available!

Jeff Lester


Thanks for those who patiently kept trying to get our podcast on Itunes after  I screwed things up.  Things should be much better with, you know, people being able to actually download the podcasts and stuff, and now they have their original air dates (kinda) .  Man, the hijinks that ensue if you put your Itunes rss identifier on line three instead of line two…

On the plus side, those who have successfully subscribed to the Itunes podcast already have access to parts one and two of Episode Nine!  (On the minus side, that’s because…I accidentally uploaded the feed with the links before Graeme gave me the go-ahead?  Sorry, Graeme!)

Anyhoo, here’s installment 9.1 where we talk about Brian Bendis and Scarlet; first trade paperback of Dark Avengers; Daredevil and the current Shadowland story arc, and more:

Wait, What? Episode 9.1

Then, in installment 9.2, we bust out the old “blind guys feeling different parts of an elephant and thinking we’ve grasped snake and a palm tree, both of which Hollywood has utterly ruined” approach for this year’s San Diego Comic Con.  (At the every end we also throw in a little bit of Dr. Who, The Venture Brothers, the Return of Bruce Wayne #4, the artists of Grant Morrison, and what to make of the upcoming movie Sucker Punch.):

Wait, What? Episode 9.2

Anyway, this is my first time trying to to embed podcast entries in a post, so wouldn’t it be amusing if it didn’t work? (Yes.  So very…god-damned… amusing.)

19 Responses to “ Wait, Whoops? Episode 9 Podcast is Available! ”

  1. I got through the first 2 podcasts last night. Nice to put voices to the words I’ve been reading all these years. You’d think that with name like Graeme McMillan I’d have suspected there was maybe an accent, but no. I had to make sure I didn’t stumble into Paul and Al’s “House to Astonish” podcast by mistake.

    Good show guys. I look forward to the rest (downloading now). Just please don’t do that stereo effect again.

  2. Hey Jeff,
    Sorry to be the pain-in-the ass guy, but 9.1 showed up in iTunes, but I did not get 9.2. Maybe it’s just me….

  3. John: No need for apologies! Believe me, the more trouble-shooting I can do (and the sooner), the better!

    That said, I’m not sure why it didn’t show up in Itunes as it looks like it’s available here:


    Maybe you can use the “View in Itunes” link next to 9.2 (in the above link) and see if that helps jog your Itunes a little? Lemme know…

  4. I just searched for the podcast in the music store and could download the episode from there. Kind of a WTF moment, but I’ve the podcast on my pod now, so that’s cool.

    For what it’s worth, I’d only ever listened to a couple of episodes prior to this, so I am playing catch up all the way from the beginning. It’s kind of funny hearing you guys talk about books that have not come out yet at the time and anticipating certain things (I think it was Graeme supposing that Cry for Justice could get better with issue two, for example).

    Anyway, keep up the good work and I’ll keep listening (and complaining about iTunes).

  5. The thing you can’t really do with a married Spider-Man is the iconic Ditko image of a crestfallen Peter Parker sitting on the edge of his bed with the lights off and his mask and gloves in his hands. You cannot do that sort of self-examination with a character who is, fundamentally, never alone – as opposed to on his own – any more. “A problem shared is a problem halved.”

    Iron will prevents me from commenting further on that particular character and his issues :)


  6. Gentlemen, all told very nice work. I rolled through both new eps last night. By the way, the revelation that Spidey couldn’t lift…a guy…off himself in order to get to his own wedding fueled the rant a bit further down. Thanks!

    Possible topic for next time: Boom Studios going to the Stan Lee well and seeing what comes up in the bucket. With writers like Cornell and Waid (in Waid’s case he clearly gets the Lee ‘vibe’) I’m curious to see what kind of material is produced.



    Col writes a heady analysis of what makes Peter Pan Parker work and not work. I think you’ll enjoy the read but below is a sizable abstract that sums up my feelings (that I didn’t know I had till I read it).

    —–“And if we merely abstract Peter’s characteristics from the metaphor of adolescence, what we have is a perpetual loser, a clumsy boy-child, a social misfit despite his many fine qualities, a failure in the market-place despite his genius, a barely-successful serial monogamist despite his obvious excellent heart. Separate the adolescent qualities from the adolescent metaphor and Peter Parker becomes a contradictory impossibility.

    Nobody that bright and able can be a failure.

    Nobody that kind and empathetic can fail to maintain successful and lasting relationships.

    Making the adolescent Peter Parker the adult Peter and giving him most if not all of the same qualities while placing him in comparable situations to his youth may seem to be an example of change, of allowing Spider-Man to grow up, but it’s actually the opposite. For not only is the original metaphor of adolescence shattered, but the adult Peter becomes a failure. What is understandable in a young boy such as Peter, with his whole life ahead of him, is almost contemptible in the adult Mr Parker. And whereas I will happily sit by and watch Peter struggle with learning how to be an adult while in High School, there’s something which until recently I couldn’t name in me that rebels against engaging with a Peter who grew up and learnt very little from all that unhappiness.

    How can Peter Parker have grown up to be the perpetual loser, despite his brilliance, his power, his achievements, his friends, and his splendid good nature? That’s not endearing. That’s nonsensical, and I suspect strongly that it creates an unseen but significant narrative drag on the character’s appeal.” —–

    Aaaaaand scene.

    That’s why I didn’t like “One More Day” because it yet again portrayed Peter failing. Failing to come to grips with death. Failing to square himself to reality. Take a cue from Scott Pilgrim and GET IT TOGETHER, Pete. Please, we love you. It was cute that you didn’t understand how people grow old and die at some point when you were a kid but that’s Ultimate Spidey’s job now.

    Now if Mephisto had punished his weakness by bringing him into his new reality as “Spider-Hobo: Hero of the Abandoned Train Yard” I might have bought it because, hey, at least then there’s some negative consequence to being a sissy who can’t let his 90 year old aunt go and would forsake his marriage to the girl of his dreams to prevent it.

    It’s time for you to become PETER PARKER: AGENT OF SHIELD. C’mon, I know you can ace that entry exam.

  7. Colin is, indeed, the secret genius of comics bloggng. Everyone who rags on Abhay, Tucker Stone, et all. for their, uh, New Comics Journalism approach should bookmark Colin’s blogs.

    That said, for at least two very obvious reasons, I disagree in the strongest possible terms with the following sentences:

    “Nobody that bright and able can be a failure.

    “Nobody that kind and empathetic can fail to maintain successful and lasting relationships.”

    But then, I would, wouldn’t I.


  8. “et all?” GOD DMNA INTEJ!


  9. I’m around the same place in THE WIRE as Graeme is. Hopefully I’ll get the end of season three this weekend, and finish up the series around Labour Day. Great stuff, though I’m really hoping someone will take a shot at McNulty soon.

    I think I’ll watch DEXTER after that. I’ve heard that’s good. Or maybe something a little less crime-y first.

    I’d be curious about this perception that Bleeding Cool is somewhat improved. I had to take its RSS feed off my reader when it started to pump out multiple posts a day about movies, many of them not even remotely comics related, and the comics stuff buried in there seemed to be mostly Avatar or Millar related. Plus the lack of proofreading for a supposedly professional site became a real pain, and most of his “scoops” seemed to just be news a few days ahead of official announcements from companies. Looking at the site right now I see one story of real interest on the front page, and actually reading it I see it’s a poorly summarized version of an uncredited piece from Variety (someone links to the clearly written original in the comments, amusingly the other comments call out Johnston on the awful writing quality of his piece). It is nice that the comics and film posts are separated now, at least.

    Anyway, not to put you in a position to defend Rich Johnston, but I’d be curious if there are any examples of posts on BC within, say, the last month, that you’d point to as worthwhile?

  10. In defense of Bleeding Cool:

    I can’t cite anything recent, unless Pat Lee just announced a project, but Johnston is rightfully credited for the work he does with dodgy financial happenings, such as Rick Olney.

    He also alerted us to the presence of Imiginary Art Adams.

  11. MK: I think it’s a fair question and I appreciate you asking it in a very even-handed way.

    Sadly, I’m not the best person to answer it, since I’m a mere shadow of my former comics-news scouring self. (Now that I think of it, I guess I count on that to come my way via Twitter.) But I would think the answer Rich would give as far as a worthwhile “news” post from Rich would be his scoop from DC about confirmation of Vertigo characters coming back to the DCU. It’s not anything I care about particularly, but I did think it was an extra tidbit he got through honest means.

    I also felt out of all the “major” comics news personalities covering SDCC (as opposed to teams like Robot 6 or Techland), he was the one who seemed most actively running around and posting like crazy–well, he and Comics Alliance (also, a team although a team of personalities if that makes sense), who I also gave a shout-out to. And as Thomas Z points out, I think Rich’s coverage of dodgy financial freelance screwing isn’t easily dismissed.

    All that said, please keep the caveat up above in mind–I’m the first to admit I’m not a very informed source. (Though I will say, now that the movie stuff is in the right-hand column and the comics stuff is on the left, Bleeding Cool is better read at the site than in the RSS feed.)

    Finally, let me know how you like Dexter: the first season was shaky but enjoyable, but the missus and I gave up about halfway through Season Two. But you’ve still got a lot of great stuff to watch with The Wire, so whatever you watch right after might feel a little second-rate, anyway.

  12. “Anyway, not to put you in a position to defend Rich Johnston, but I’d be curious if there are any examples of posts on BC within, say, the last month, that you’d point to as worthwhile?”

    Beyond all his usual odds and ends – which I enjoy whilst having my first coffee at work – there was his interesting ‘what Morrison is doing across the DCU’ theory, his defense of San Diego, the piece about Norm Breyfogle believing he’s been blacklisted (and getting Marvel to comment), his big push to get anti-Phelps protesters at the con, his big push to get Cully Hamner at the Red panel, and having Ron Marz, seemingly lacking any sense of humour, threatening to track down Rich and punch him in the face at San Diego.

    Which admittedly isn’t much – all news this past month seemed to be focused on San Diego.
    But I think when he goes beyond his muck racking – which is good fun – he does a good job when he makes freelancers plights known, or keeps pushing companies on awkward issues – he kept pushing Marvel to explain why Rawhide Kid had to be MAX for years – or tracking down people like Pat Lee and the Art Adams guy exposing them for who they are.

    The oddest thing I find with his work is that some people don’t just not like it, they think he’s the shame of the comic book industry.
    I just really don’t get that at all.

  13. Could’ve sworn there was a post about the Superman Earth One OGN on this site yesterday . . .

  14. Maybe it was an imaginary post because after all…oh, no that doesn’t work at all, dagnabbit! What did happen there though, I was enjoying that one. If nothing else it spurred me into the garage to rescue Man of Steel and re-read it. Looking forward to that.

  15. There was No. Such. Post.


    DC asked I remove it from the site, so reposting it is kind of a shmuck move, thanks.


  17. Yay! The Superman post is back! I enjoyed it as well and (much like John K) had plans to re-read Man of Steel and Birthright this weekend. Which will probably keep me from buying the OGN when it hits……

    What happened here Brian? Did the DC execs get their panties in a bunch when you reviewed your fancy advance copy?

  18. Don’t look at it, Rudi! They’ll come for you in the night! Like The Rudi I’m going to try and fit in Birthright too for a bit of compare and contrast action in my mind. Hope the trade waiting is working out for you, Mr. Rudi.

    Podcast thoughts: “Oh, Jeffrey!” Timeless comedy there.

    Bendis? Not interested anymore. I bought his stuff for four years and then made the mistake of going back and reading large chunks in one go. Talk about the hole in the doughnut. He doesn’t seem to have anything to say and a very limited way in which to not say it. That’s an opinion there, folks, not a fact. So…I’m out. The best of luck to him and his readers though.

    Hey now, I got the Simon and Kirby Sandman book and it’s great but, yeah, I mean I can’t read more than two stories without feeling brain damaged due to it’s extreme goofiness and I like this stuff.

    Daredevil: The big thing about Frank Miller’s DD run is that there was a lot of humour, some of it quite broad, even some slapstick in there. I think varying the tone allows the Bad Stuff everyone associates with DD to have actual impact. Okay, I’m pretty sure varying the tone is a useful idea. The Marvel Knights stuff is like someone jabbing at the same piano key and claiming it’s a tune. For years.

    Also, Frank Miller had stuff he wanted to say and was loving every moment of discovering new ways to say that stuff. You can’t fake passion is what I’m saying and I think that’s the lack you may guys be feeling at the core of those Marvel titles like Secret Avengers etc. Maybe. Hey, I had a point in the end, who knew! Probably wrong, though.

    I’m not even going to think about touching OMIT. Certainly not with my precious eyes.

    Thanks for the listening, gentlemen.

  19. I think Johnston probably earned that “shame of the industry” tag from some of his earlier actions. Some of it might not be justified since it seems comics has this “gossip all you like, but only inside the community” tradition that he didn’t adhere to, and in no way should have been expected to. Not being in the industry, I really don’t care, and can overlook some of his double standards and other lapses. Since I can subscribe to an RSS feed with just the comics side of BC I’ll try following it again for a while.

    Just finished THE WIRE season 3. Damn them for making McNulty almost sympathetic at the end, after making me hate him all season. Lots of unexpected stuff, hope I can get s4 soon (I even looked at prices for the complete series box just now. Pretty reasonable, actually).

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